Tuesday, October 23, 2007

Experience and the 'Language Game'

After reading Scharf’s article several questions come to my mind regarding experience and language:

Without language, how can we know WHAT experience is?
Even if it is ineffable how can it exist or happen/have happened without the representation of language?
If there is no experience, then how do you explain or understand accounts? Are they merely a product of socialization? In other words, we think that they exist, so they do to us? Is that not a bit patronizing? Or, at the very least, reductive?

And also, are all religious or mystical experiences the same at the root – that is should we assume that they all come from the same ‘place’ or is the notion of ‘family resemblances’ that Scharf mentions (97) more profound? If you consider the phenomenon of alien abduction (108-109) in contrast to William James et al, could it be that the experiences under consideration are NOT some sort of contact with one thing. But several or multiple forces, for lack of a better term. Fundamentally, is there a way to separate experience from its roots? As Scharf summarized: the progression from Post-Enlightenment attempts to defend religion as the expression of experience, to Perennial Philosophy to its effects on D.T. Suzuki and Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan (that is on non-European traditions and our notion of them). Even though the concept of experience is situated in a certain universalism, is it useful anyway? Can it be divorced from that?

So what role does language play in all of this? Well, without language, that is signifiers, how do we know it exists (even if only as a recollection or happening in our minds? Regardless of what assumptions that makes about the nature of the mind, especially in terms of autonomy.) In other words, is the ‘dream report the only criterion for the dream’ (113)? Is the recording of experience the only way it exists?

Or is the application of language to experience, whatever it is, as Dennett claims (111) relational? I think that in terms of the scholar, perhaps. BUT in terms of the individual, the community member. No. If you look at groups that have a strong confessional component, such as charismatic Christian churches (even if they are descended from the same phenomena that inspired William James) what does it mean for members to share tales of their experiences with each other? The same could be said of any other tradition with framework descended from Perennial Philosophy (100-103).

I guess the biggest assumption that Scharf discusses is our really foundational myth of the autonomous individual (111) and that this individual is in possession of inner, private experience. But how do we get around that? Not only is the individual central to the current European-inspired framework, BUT it is central to any attempt to address persons outside of their signifiers. Fundamentally this is tied to social justice, if there is no concept that we are all individuals and all equal, then people and groups can be objectified.

3 comments:

callie said...

Hi Jen,

I think you made some really good points here. In particular I really liked how pointed out the 'fly in the ointment' regarding language's relation to experience.

I agree with you that it doesn't seem valid that the criterion for authenticating an experience is the articulation of it (the statement of the dream is enough... bit that you cited).

Also, I really liked how you termed the belief in our own autonomous individuality as a 'foundational myth' -- that's a really great point. This really is the premise all of us seem to work from, one that 'feels true' whether or not it can be supported externally or empirically.

Similarly, I also agree with you when you pointed out that there really is no ultimately satisfying way of getting around (beyond?) this perspective.

Aneisha said...

Hi Jen,

Your blog was great, as usual; I think I argued along similar lines. You really do bring up some great points and ask really interesting questions. The fact that things do exist universally is useful and gives us as human beings meaning in this world. At least we all relate in some ways. However, if the mind and experience were both bogus than how could anything exist in this world? I enjoyed your blog it gets me into this whole questioning mode.

Yvonne said...

Hi Jen,

Wow, you bring up alot of interesting questions. The first one that really popped out is a question that is constantly being debated. Can one experience without language? I remember one thinker took the stance that one can experience things without the necessity of language by giving the example of a baby which demands basic survival necessities are are able to experience supposedly through visualizing something though they may not necessarily fully comprehend what it is. I'm not sure how strong this argument is though, since I haven't fully looked into that study.

If I understand you correctly, are you asking whether the experiences are coming from various sources and perhaps it is not the perception of it that is different but it's roots? That could very well be the case, but I do wonder whether this would undermine it's absoluteness and divinity in any way?

But anyways, I found you brought up so many great points and questions that were thought provoking!